Curse

Sheriff · Oct 03, 2006, 06:48 AM // 06:48

Tia!

sgtclarity · Oct 03, 2006, 03:01 PM // 15:01

*points to the garbage can*
Go get 'em cowboy.

Rancour · Oct 04, 2006, 12:52 PM // 12:52

^If you don't have anything nice/constructive to say, don't say anything.

Anyway, the best use for Flourish would probably be a W/A dagger warrior. It's pretty simple, get a hold of 3 dagger skills (or more, but I wouldn't recommend it. Whatever blows your skirt up), get Flourish and you're good!

Attributes are pretty loose, but a 12 in Dagger Mastery is a must. Then, get 13 in Strength (9 + Sup and hat) and rest in Tactics/Shadow Arts.

Fire of your combo, hit Flourish. You get 7 energy for each recharged dagger attack (try to get some with slow recharges, Disrupting Stab for lead, Fox Fangs for off-hand and Death Blossom for dual work fine) and they'll all be recharged. You can fire off a pretty lethal spike every 10 seconds max (Flourish recharge) but the first two spikes are right after each other. Add in an IAS like Flurry or Tiger Stance (strength based. Flurry lowers damage, but that doesn't matter).

Enjoy.

dgb · Oct 04, 2006, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by Rancour

^If you don't have anything nice/constructive to say, don't say anything.

It's actually about the most constructive thing you can say about Flourish on a primary warrior.

Quite frankly, it really sucks. Don't run it on a primary warrior and you'll do fine.

Arkantos · Oct 04, 2006, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Originally Posted by Rancour

^If you don't have anything nice/constructive to say, don't say anything.

You're right, he wasn't being constructive. Here's the constructive verse:

Flourish sucks on primary warriors.

sgtclarity · Oct 04, 2006, 08:19 PM // 20:19

This being the WARRIOR forums, you should assume that all comments are made for in perspective of a warrior.
What I said was perfectly adequate for such a terrible skill, it's simply a little more blunt/crass than what you care bears might enjoy.
I apologize.

Rancour · Oct 05, 2006, 06:46 AM // 06:46

I totally get that, but the OP was asking for some hints for builds that ACTUALLY use Flourish. Saying Flourish is a bad skill is true (it only works for builds like the one I posted), but that wasn't really what he was asking for.

I agree though, Flourish is a terrible skill for anything but fueling a dagger build.

arcanemacabre · Oct 05, 2006, 08:13 AM // 08:13

Hmm... What about a W/R beastmaster? There's a lot of decent beastmaster skills that have horrible recharges. Might be of some use there?

Thom Bangalter · Oct 05, 2006, 08:16 AM // 08:16

Quote:

This being the WARRIOR forums, you should assume that all comments are made for in perspective of a warrior.
What I said was perfectly adequate for such a terrible skill, it's simply a little more blunt/crass than what you care bears might enjoy.
I apologize.

Quote:

*points to the garbage can*
Go get 'em cowboy.

Too funny.

dopple · Oct 05, 2006, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

You're right, he wasn't being constructive. Here's the constructive verse:

Flourish sucks on primary warriors.

Yes, it sucks so much that I did >90% of Factions and capped around 150 elites with a pure warrior flourish build.

Here is a version of the build I used:

Sword 14
Strength 12
Tactics 11

Pure Strike
Jaizhenju Strike
Savage Slash
Distracting Blow
Flourish
Capture Signet or whatever
Healing Signet
some rez skill

per 10 seconds:
(Pure Strike, Jaizhenju Strike, Savage Slash, Distracting Blow) and then Flourish

energy spent per 10 seconds: 5 + 5 + 10 +5 +5 = 30
energy gained per 10 seconds: 4*6 + almost 7 through regen = 31

This is not a high DPS build, obviously. But it is still fun to use. Try it in the Fire Islands missions, it is great there: lots of interupts against the mursaats, and a few attack skills that cannot be evaded by the Jade Bows.

King's Spectre · Oct 05, 2006, 09:18 PM // 21:18

Ah you must be searching for the ubiquitous Focused Shot W/R build.. :P

sgtclarity · Oct 08, 2006, 01:31 PM // 13:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by dopple

Yes, it sucks so much that I did >90% of Factions and capped around 150 elites with a pure warrior flourish build.

Here is a version of the build I used:

Sword 14
Strength 12
Tactics 11

Pure Strike
Jaizhenju Strike
Savage Slash
Distracting Blow
Flourish
Capture Signet or whatever
Healing Signet
some rez skill

per 10 seconds:
(Pure Strike, Jaizhenju Strike, Savage Slash, Distracting Blow) and then Flourish

energy spent per 10 seconds: 5 + 5 + 10 +5 +5 = 30
energy gained per 10 seconds: 4*6 + almost 7 through regen = 31

This is not a high DPS build, obviously. But it is still fun to use. Try it in the Fire Islands missions, it is great there: lots of interupts against the mursaats, and a few attack skills that cannot be evaded by the Jade Bows.

I didn't know "fun" on a warrior consisted of doing lots of work mashing buttons and doing low DPS. Sorry, but my idea of "fun" is to hit 8 times and unload 500 damage in less than 3 seconds.

Katari · Oct 08, 2006, 05:13 PM // 17:13

Even in PvE, there is really no compelling reason to not use a deep wound attack on a warrior. If you want to charge sword attacks quickly, do it with Dragon Slash. Once the battle starts going, Dragon Slash lets you spam adrenaline attacks, which are more powerfull than energy attacks. Not to mention the deep wound.

People have also gotten through 100% of both tyria and cantha using mending on a wammo with 9 weapon mastery. That dosn't mean it's a good build.

Rancour · Oct 09, 2006, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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Originally Posted by sgtclarity

I didn't know "fun" on a warrior consisted of doing lots of work mashing buttons and doing low DPS. Sorry, but my idea of "fun" is to hit 8 times and unload 500 damage in less than 3 seconds.

I know alot of people who don't think "fun" on any characters is copying a cookie-cutter build and being a clone of everyone else...
Not saying you do that, but it's quite interesting to try and do something unique with unpopular skills, just like Flourish.

Katari · Oct 09, 2006, 02:48 PM // 14:48

Outside of certain farming areas, I don't consider myself using cookie cutter builds. I know how warriors work, I know what mobs I'll be facing, I adjust my skills accordingly. Zomg! I'm using Dragon Slash, that means I'm using the same build as every other DSlash war!!!11 No, not really. I find using skills that work effectivly much more fun than using poor skills in an effort to be 'unique.'

Rancour · Oct 09, 2006, 07:10 PM // 19:10

Sure, which is why I wouldn't suggest Flourish just to fuel that Jai-something Strike and Pure Strike. But it works excellent at fueling assassin attack combos. Trust me, it ain't a poor build.

Of course one should always strive to be effective. But the thing is that skills that are effective are OFTEN the most commonly used, which is why you end up like a clone of everyone else.

Dragon Slash is a fine skill, as an example. And no, I won't call you a cookie cutter if you use it, heavens no.

Now, if you use defensive skills from, say, the mesmers Inspiration line or the Elementalists Earth Magic line, I'll call you interesting; because not 1/5 of all warriors are W/Me.

Take SS, on the other hand. Every 2nd Necromancer primary runs it. Effective? Certainly. Fun to play with? Perhaps. Unique? Not in a million years.

FoC spike. Effective? I'd say yes. Fun to play with? Perhaps. Unique? In PvE, yes.

Sacrificing effectiveness for "uniqueness" is dumb; but it doesn't hurt to spice up your effective build with some original thinking, which is the case with Flourish, because we aren't sacrificing effectiveness in the W/A build.

Katari · Oct 09, 2006, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Dagger attacks on a warrior are inherently weaker than dagger attacks on a sin. Dagger attacks on a sin are on par with a warrior. So you're still sacrificing damage if you use daggers on a warrior, at the cost of filling your skillbar with a skillchain.

Rancour · Oct 10, 2006, 02:51 PM // 14:51

This is true, but I can stay IN the fight and I don't necasseraly (sp?, I know) die every 3 minutes, like many assassins tend to so. Also, I don't have to wait any more than 10 secs MAX between my spikes and I can handle disruption alot better than assassins can.
Not only that, but I can get my energy up while out of battle (after a spike), while assassins pretty much have to wait for energy regeneration if they don't wanna go back in.

Granted, I'm not much of a tank compared to a shield wielding warrior, naturally, but atleast I live on

Katari · Oct 10, 2006, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Right, but by using daggers on a warrior, you deal less spike, and less DPS than a axe, sword, or hammer warrior. Sure, you can take more of a beating than a sin, but so can any warrior.

Pros of using a dagger on a warrior are? More armor than a sin? Just like every warrior?

Cons of using a dagger on a warrior are lower DPS and lower Spike damage than other warriors, or sins.

Rancour · Oct 10, 2006, 11:39 PM // 23:39

I can use my spikes many times over, sins often can't do that (unless build-specific). Lower than other warriors? Most likely, but I like daggers... I know I sacrificed damage in that sense, but I wanted to try and use Flourish, and while I don't deal as much damage as a warrior I can spike alot faster than they can.

But I agree though, a normal warrior functions very well, they don't need daggers at all. But it's an interesting and completely viable alternative to axe or sword warriors.

Bonus: As a warrior primary I get... Strength! Woohoo, AP on my attack skills. Not much use but, well, it's there.